Rebuilding Confidence After Life’s Transitions with Sarah from Reclaim and Rise

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Welcome, everyone. Welcome to this next episode. It's me. A little bit different today. It's not quite business related, but I've invited this lady on to talk to us because I do believe that as small business owners, your business is related to your personal life and your personal life bleeds into your business. So we are talking to Sarah today from Reclaim and Rise Transformed. Now you're gonna have to tell me Reclaim and Rise. So you go, you go and tell me what it is. Okay. So I work mainly with women over 40 who've been through big life transitions and are rebuilding self trust, calm and confidence.

And it's transformational confidence coaching, ultimately transformational. That's the word that I stumbling on. Transformational confidence coaching for women. Wow. You know, what brought you to this line of work then? It comes a lot, actually, from personal experience and my professional background. I had a really significant relationship breakdown a few years ago and I lost a lot of my self confidence and was very much in survival mode, even though I was still sort of functioning on the outside and wearing this mask. And I spent 23 years in my previous career mentoring and supporting colleagues, so holding space for them, guiding people, helping them find their feet.

And it was already, I suppose, a part of who I actually was. And then I think when I learned how to regulate my nervous system and then rebuild my own self trust, it was at that point that I realized it was something that I truly loved and I was really passionate about. And I thought, what a dream to be able to then do that full time as a career. So tell us a little bit about, you know, did you find that you were going through stages after, I take it this was after divorce, was it?

Or separation? Separation, yeah. Yeah. Were you going through like, were you going through like stages? Was it like a bit like mourning and then different, like different stages sort of happened? You're like, right, I'm in this stage now. How did you find out that you're, you were struggling, that you're, you're struggling with this? Well, I think initially sometimes you get consumed with the grieving stage of a relationship and that can still happen even if you're the person who's ended it, because even though you may have emotionally checked out before you leave, which is what most of us actually do so that we come to that decision.

It's still. It still is really a sad place to be. And I think I realized that I was stuck there for a couple of years in that mindset of feeling really low and exhausted. And I thought I just one day was just like enough is enough and that I need to now try and get myself out of this grieving phase and then, you know, enjoy, enjoy life again and try and find me because I'd lost part of me in, in my relationship. I suppose you, once you're going through the breakup, you're all consumed with what's going on, I take it.

Did you live together? Did you have to go out and find a new house? Was finances a worry for you? And I suppose you're gone? No, luckily for me, it was my home. But it didn't make it any easier because we did have joint financial purchases that we'd made. We'd been together a long time and we also worked together, which adds another extra layer to the complication of it. So, yeah, it was just really difficult to navigate that really, even though we didn't have a house together, luckily for me, I didn't have to go through.

Through that. No. Well, I suppose it's all kind of all consuming at the time whilst join it. And then once the dust settles, as it were, and you know, you're safe and you've got a new place to live or you've. You've had to move back with parents or friends or family, then I suppose that' is that when it all starts to hit home with what's actually gone on. Because this could be six months, a year, like the, the breakup period, couldn't it? I suppose, yeah, it could be.

It could actually be years. And I think what happens is that you just get to a point where you just say, I'm sick of feeling like this all of the time now. And you start questioning yourself as well. You go, why aren't I over it already? And then you have your family and your friends say, why aren't you over it already? Like, how long are you going to stay in this kind of, you know, under this rain cloud like an eel from Winnie the Pooh. Like, why can't you just get over it?

It's funny you say it. You're telling yourselves that. It's funny you say Eeyore. That was my nickname in the, in the police, my name was Adir. So sorry. Oh, no, I'm sure it was said with love. Whoever named you that? But if you picture Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh. You know, we all loved Winnie the Pooh when we were children and they all had their own character traits. If you look like Tigger potentially was somebody that had adhd. But, but Eeyore was quite depressive, wasn't he? He was always really sad, had the rain clouds sitting over him.

And he would always see the negative side of anything. Very pessimistic, very down. Yeah, negative mindset is what Eeyore had. And I'm not saying that that was you. Oh, it was me. But could you, could you see that, could you see that in yourself? Or did it take someone to say, come on, Sarah, you know, you've, it's been, it's been X number of months now since you've, you've got rid of him. Let's, let's see if we can pick you up. Or was it just like, no, I can't, I just haven't got the headspace at the moment.

Yeah, so. So I would have people say to me, why can't you just pick yourself back up now? Come on, we need to, we need to start moving on. And, and in front of them I'd have that mask of, yeah, I'm fine like you know, living life, loving life. I'm loving being single, I'm loving being on my own. I'm loving self dating. But back then I wasn't, I wasn't enjoying it. But I could put that front on until I then went home. And then I would crumble at home.

But I literally just one thought, I can't keep living my life like this. Like, I'm starting to recognize that this is not who I am. This being miserable all the time, this putting a front on to try and people please is not who I am or who I want to be. And I was like, something's got to change. And how did that, how, how did it change? How did you make a change?

Well, I went, I recognized. So I studied nlp. And I don't want to go all woo woo on anyone that's listening to this, but neuro linguistic programming is the way that we behave and we think and what we tell ourselves. And you can go into a really dark place like an eel, or if you sit there and constantly think negative stuff or that you're not good enough, that you can't do certain things. And I started studying that after seeing something on YouTube about mindset because I thought, I need to get myself out of this, but I don't know how to.

And so I started studying that and it was absolutely incredible. The way that you can completely reframe the way that you talk to yourself and that. That can help you then get out of that rut and that survival mode. That you're in, that inner voice that makes us all think we're a bit crazy, but we're not. We're not crazy, but we all got that. I think we've all got that inner voice 100%. And it's. It actually comes down to our ancestors that have given us that. So thank you very much to the cavemen and women, the Fred Flintstone and the Wilmers out there that have given us this for thousands of years is actually part of our instincts.

To feel, to automatically tell ourselves something negative so that we can survive. And that's what we do. And it's hard to rewire, but actually you can. If you build the habit, you can. You completely change the way that you think. I'll put you on the spot here. Was there one. Was there a particular thought that you. You became conscious of and you became aware of that you managed to reprogram or. And does it now, does it sometimes slip in and you're like, no, get out, get out my head.

I'm not. I'm not going down this road again sort of thing? Absolutely. So it sounds ironic from a transformational confidence coach that I would still have that inner voice telling me that. But the difference is that I then recognize it rather than just allowing it to consume me. I hear myself saying it and then I go, no, brain. I actually say this to myself. I look weird in my house doing it, but I say, no, brain, we're not going down that route. And I stop the circuit.

I stop that negative circuit that comes in and you shut it off. And then you start thinking about some of the positive things that maybe would help you to just move forward and take those acts of courage. But the biggest thing for me, and it still does sit with me sometimes, even though I'm a confidence coach, is that I feel like I'm never good enough.

That's something I tell myself a lot. And that comes from that previous relationship of, I suppose, narcissistic behavior, of saying things to me like, you're never going to meet anyone else again, or I carry you and I carry you through your career, and without me, your life would be ruined. No one's going. Going to love you because you've had a child out of wedlock. And all of these things that were said, when somebody says that to you enough, it doesn't matter. How strong your mindset is, you genuinely start believing it.

And so it comes from that, and it still does sit there sometimes. But the difference is, is that I recognize it, and that's the transformation side of it, rather than just accepting that that's true. My reality now is no longer that reality. So, yeah, something that I remember my wife Emma, sort of telling me about, and like you were saying about stopping those intrusive thoughts from gaining control, and. And she always tells me to picture a red stop sign, you know, and I, I pass this on to my clients as well.

When they kind of spin out with. You know, sometimes they really go down these paths, and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How have you got that? How have you got to where you're at? Because we started at A, and you're already at F, and your brain's, like, taken over and you're spinning. You're spinning out a bit. And I, I pass this on to my clients with, like, a big red stop sign to just to, like you said, interrupt, interrupt that pattern and that thought. But then I suppose the challenge is, then is to really is understand that and then to replace it with a positive thought.

Yes. This podcast is sponsored by Low Pay. Low pay is half the price of sum up and Zettle, so you keep more of the money that you earn. Rates start at 0.79%. So do you have, like, these positive thoughts written down to start with, or, you know, could they be on your phone so you could quickly, like, and look into them and go, right, what can I replace this with? Or intentionally. Today I filled up my. My bird feeder, which just sits. Just sits off my periphery vision on the right, and there's lots of blue ticks coming, coming and going.

And I think if I had a. An intrusive or negative thought, I think I'd look at that stop sign. Then I'd look at the bird feeder and. And just wait for the next bird to come in to sort of interact and, and change that direction of my. My thoughts, I suppose. Yeah. So you can do that. And I know, obviously don't want to go too much into nlp, because some people think it's pretty wild, but it's actually genuinely transformational. But you can have an anchor. So your anchor might be when you look at the birds, it stops that.

That sort of spiral, if you like, of your thought process. The same as you can have an anchor when you're feeling really nervous or really anxious, where you can pinch your. Your forefinger and your thumb together and Then just start gently breathing and allow yourself to, although you're present in that thought process for that moment that you then can take yourself into something else. Because you go, no, this is not happening to me today. I'm not going to have these thoughts because I know it's just my brain telling me that that's something that's happening that's not, or that I'm too worried about the future, about something that hasn't even happened yet, which is what brings on anxiety.

And you can anchor yourself by doing things like that, by looking at something that distracts you or by having a physical anchor like your hand on your chest or pinching your, your fingers together so that you concentrate on something else. And yeah, absolutely, you can have things in your phone or you can download confidence documents, I suppose, or books really that will allow you to refer back to. So that when you are starting to spiral and you go, no, I need to think about something else, you can find a guide to do that.

And I used to have things like that, but now I think because I've been doing it for so long for myself, that I don't need to have it written down anywhere. I recognize it and I deal with it. So do people struggle to recognize what they're going through, like the confidence? Because obviously you help you transformational confidence coaching for women. So you help with confidence. But what areas of life does, does that sort of affect with people? Where can it affect everything that they do sort of thing after the split up, after the breakup?

Absolutely. And even if you're not going through a breakup, confidence is something that is, is so important for everything in our lives, whether that be your work, your friendships, your relationships, just everyday life and enjoying it. Because what happens with a lot of women is that they stay in low level survival mode. So much so that they don't even realize that they're in it. Because what they do is they are continuing to get shit done. I don't know if I'm allowed to swear, sorry. They get shit done.

They're building their business, they're sorting the kids dinners, they're walking the dog, they're keeping up with everybody socially and going out, they're running the house and they're playing these roles of mum, wife, partner, organizer, chef, and often emotional glue of the family that they are very capable of doing all of those things, but they are exhausted by doing it. And so that is the survival mode that a lot of women stay in because they wear all of these hats and none of them actually really make them Particularly happy they might do temporarily, but not long term.

And so they find themselves just staying in that mode. But it feels normal. So people don't even realize that they're, they don't recognize it because it becomes an, it becomes normality. They feel comfortable with that feeling of people pleasing. The fact that they, you know, think that they're not good enough to do something, wearing all of these hats, playing all of these roles and then they just can't continue to live their life like that because it, they think it's normal and it's. No, and this is, I suppose it's one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you onto the podcast actually was to I suppose raise that awareness and help people just to maybe have a little.

So one of my buzzwords was curiosity and like, do you, do you accept what you're given or do you go out and find like other ways of doing stuff? So hopefully this kind of helps people to ask questions about what they're, what they're up to and what they're doing and what life's like and, and questioning the norm because like you said, it, it becomes your life, doesn't it? And it actually doesn't need to be. Or it can be different. Exactly. And the thing is, is that these women, they're often very capable.

They're showing up for themselves and they're showing up for everyone else. And on the outside they look incredibly strong. But the strength is, is that mask, it's that barrier, it's that protection, the survival mode that you don't allow, you don't allow yourself to enjoy certain things because a lot of the time, especially for women that have got a family, they feel guilty, you feel guilty of. And it feels selfish to want to focus on their business or to indulge in self care or to just take some time out and set some boundaries for themselves and say no to people instead of people pleasing.

And I really resonate with that because I was exactly that person. And underneath it, what's happening is, is that their central nervous system is continuously switched on, it's constantly fired and that's what then brings the exhaustion. But like I said, they sort of run, they run on that low level energy and eventually it just feels, it does feel normal.

I can think of an example, it might be an example, but I have a client who has two kids, runs a business, he's going through a separation at the moment and like you said on the, on the outside, she's running the house, she's looking after the kids, making sure. Everything happens. Trying hard with her business and then all of a sudden like a form drops in that she needs to complete and that's like the, oh, you know, really like just stops you in your tracks, doesn't it?

And make you procrastinate and question and the fear like kicks in, you know. So like you were saying on the outside everything's like in control but this could just be like one little thing that can really sort of tip you over the edge or knock you off course 100%. And I'm just going to explain what survival mode looks like for modern day because obviously I've said that it comes from our ancestors. It comes from thousands of years of survive, of instincts. Like I said, the Fred Flintstone, the caveman.

And back then the reason why they had that was because they had lots of physical threats. For example, some of the animals that were around then would have eaten them or even other tribes. The threat of having to fight against another tribe to gain territory or the threat of being eaten, like absolutely screw that. But it comes, it comes from that, that fight or flight mode. And these traits are something that we've carried with us for thousands of years. And the modern day version of that is things like being triggered by work stresses.

So like you said about a new thing comes in for that person and they spiral because they're now like, well I've got that to deal with, I'm going to overthink it, I'm going to procrastinate on it and then it makes it worse. And so the modern day that we now have, our work deadlines, financial worries, social anxiety even and we just bring it all into the, into the modern day. Yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of people don't understand that or maybe don't realize that our brain that is like hundreds of thousands of years old in your head.

Yep. Has this like inherited like faults in it I suppose like you said from, from running away from dinosaurs, but pretty much. But we don't need it in this modern life. You know, we're safe, we're safe. But the, the environment around us can, can kick that in, can't it? Yeah, absolutely. And what actually happens is in everyday life this is exactly how it looks. So we over function, we try to fix everything, we try to hold everyone else together and it never really stops. And in business or work it can often look like over G clients or struggling to say no to certain clients for certain things and setting the boundaries even right down to over explaining your prices and your decisions or keeping Prices low and.

And constantly questioning yourself when actually you're incredibly capable. You've been running your business for years, but you. But you allow tough love here, but you allow those thoughts to come in that then hold you back. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I see it so much. I see it so much with business owners that I. That I work with and, and obviously it feeds into the home life as well. So, you know, in business it can hold you back from, like you said, putting prices, being, you know, being too nice to clients or allowing them to sort of walk all over you, I suppose, or be demanding and not saying no.

So you end up with burning out. But in home life as well, I suppose it's like being that. Looking after everyone in the house and taking on everything at home, being the. Emotional glue is what I call it, holding everybody else up and not looking after yourself. Yeah, we all have different levels of confidence, don't we, though? But. And everybody is different. And so how. Well, do you have, like, a definition of confidence or an idea or. Are you able to explain what confidence is? I don't know if that's quite a difficult question to answer.

It is. But the one thing that I would say and the reason why I love it when I get asked, you know, what is confidence? Well, I can tell you what confidence isn't for a star, and it's not a personality trait. People think that some people are just born confident and they're not. It's about the way that they think about themselves. And so although confidence is not necessarily a tangible physical thing, it will transform your life once you have it. And we go through life having different levels of confidence because you can be really confident at certain things and then you learn something new and then you're not very confident at it for a little while, and then you take those small actionable steps to build your confidence, because confidence is the outcome of doing those steps.

And so confidence is an outcome of the actions that you take in life. And when you break the circuit of that mindset that tells you that you're not good enough or that you're too old to do certain things. That's what confidence is. It's the outcome of taking those actions. Yeah, And I was just thinking about this whilst you're explaining that. And I also think it's that willingness to redo something that you've done because you're happy to do it again. I kind of see that as being confident about it.

So. Yeah. And also rewiring your brain about failure. So you can see it as you failed at something in life and constantly allow that to replay in your mind. Or you can rewire it and say, okay, what I did there is probably not what I would do again and I'm learning from it. And now I've got the wisdom. I'm that wise old owl who's had that experience to now go on and use that learning curve to be better and achieve more instead of I failed. So therefore I'm going to give up.

And that's what a lot of people do. Yeah, that's really interesting. And I think, I suppose an important point to learn or to know is that like you said, confidence ebbs and flows depending on what we do. But it is something that we can learn and it's something that we can improve and work on. Yeah, and everybody has confidence. It just depends on the level that you have. You don't just gain confidence from nothing. Everybody has it, but they've got to take some action in order to have that as an outcome.

And that could be the tiniest little baby steps like posting the first video on social media to advertise a business or going for a walk and then going into a coffee shop and buying yourself a coffee and just having a little bit of a solo date and a bit of me time. And yes, it might feel nerve wracking to start with, but once you've done it once and then you go, oh, actually that wasn't as bad as I thought it was. We come out of the survival mode, we build our confidence and then we grow.

So why, why are you kind of targeting or why are you. Targeting is the wrong word. But why, why do you want to work with women around this? You know, why not men and women?

I just think there's a different dynamic to what we have to deal with in life. There's lots of barriers that men have to overcome. Stuff like, you know, the fact that they are. It's instilled in them from society to have that stiff upper lip and not to show their emotions. And there's lots of challenges that men have around that. But the reason I want to work with women, and particularly women that are 40 plus, is I'm 44 and I, I feel like, because I can relate to a lot of the struggles that women have, that I can give a level of empathy that I couldn't give to somebody that maybe I wouldn't understand the struggles.

And I'm not here to say that to even, you know, I'm outwardly denying that I have no idea about some of the struggles that men go through because I'm not, I'm not in that place and that's not the life that I've lived.

A bit of an obvious question I suppose. I'm a lady. So it just comes down to I suppose. Yeah. The empathy of. And I understand how women have got so many hats that we wear because society has forced us kind of into being a jack of all trades when it comes to home life and business life. Now you know women more so are entrepreneurs and they've. Than they've ever been. And a lot of self sabotage and people pleasing comes from being female because we feel like we've still got all of those other roles that we need to play and therefore we need to keep everybody else happy.

And I just relate that myself. So the emotional glue together. Yeah, yeah. There's the head of the household. Some people would say not all the time but they feel like they are or they feel that they have to play that role. And so what does a, what does a confidence coach do? If you're working with someone like what's the sort of process? How, how, how does working with you help them?

So what we do is we start to knuckle down on. We don't necessarily go back into the past because that's not what transformational coaching is. If we need to go back to the past and revisit it and try to problem solve some of the things that have happened there, that's where a therapist would come in. I'm therefore we're going to look to the future. Yes. We can touch on what's happened in the past that makes us understand why we behave the way we behave or the way that we think.

But ultimately it's about moving forward. It's about trying to build that life that they want to build. So what we'll do is things like we will reconnect with who we actually are and who we want to be. Where are we at now and where do we want to be in 5 years time? And then we chunk down from that big goal that we have right the way down to the very smallest one about what we're going to do today. What are we going to do right now that's going to be that tiny little baby step that's going to take us to where we want to be.

And that could be something really simple like you know, walking into that gym class. For some people that is a massive anxiety and we work through that and we, we, we, we open up the mind to what's the worst. That's actually going to happen if you do that. And then we start making people think, transformational thinking about actually, am I really overthinking this? Am I, is these things really going to happen to me that I keep saying in my head that are going to happen? And then we've tried to reconnect with our identity because that's a lot of something that's lost for a lot of women in relationships.

And then we build upon that, we start looking at mindset shifts and then yeah, hopefully we get them to a place where they are, they have such unstoppable confidence that they are ready to tackle anything but yet still recognize when that inner chimp or that inner voice kicks in, that we can deal with it. And I'm assuming it, you know, it's not one size fits all. So some people might, it might take a few months, some people might take probably a year or so maybe to work on it and work through it.

Yeah, absolutely. I normally do a three month transformational package because there are a lot of studies out there that say you could change a habit within 21 days. Well, I don't believe that there are some small habits you could like if you want to stop eating chocolate, for example. But we're talking something really big here. We're talking about the way that you think and that you've been conditioned to think that way for the past 40, 50 years. That takes a lot of work. So to be able to change someone's thought process.

It can normally take about three months because what you want is you want them to then once they've done that confidence training and that rewiring of the brain, that they can go off on their own and actually live the life that they want to rather than then go straight back to square one and falling off the wagon after three months. So that's why it's a little bit longer. But I also do do one to one off, one off sessions because it might be that somebody's only got a really small thing that they need to tackle in order to move forward.

And that can sometimes be done in an hour. And you might need some top ups as well, if that makes sense. Yeah, exactly that, exactly that. And then what you do is that self sabotage, for example, and us thinking that we're not good enough is something that takes a little bit of time to recognize and then also to make sure that you know how to break that habit.

Very interesting. So if someone's listening to this and they're thinking she's really sort of hit the nail on the Head there or. Yeah, that's me, you know, sort of thinking and it can be hard to admit this kind of stuff, isn't it? Can't it? What, what's. Where can they start? Where, where can they start? If they've had that thought, I think this is, I think they're talking about me or I think this is me. This. I really resonate with this. Where, where can they start to. To make those changes or find out.

More so what they, what they really want to be doing and they'll probably have, if they haven't already had that wake up call where they wake up one day and go, do you know, I'm sick of feeling like this. I'm sick of feeling like I can't do certain things or that I'm not good enough. And I'm sick and I'm tired and I'm exhausted of constantly keeping everybody else happy and not filling my own cup. Because you only fill other people's cups if your cup is full, right?

You think about a jug of water. You can't fill up a cup with a jug of, with water if the jug is empty. And people don't realize that. People think they've just got to please everybody else. And so if they start feeling like that, then you're already going through the hardest part because recognizing that we have these flaws is really hard. But if you can recognize that there is, you know, a floor quirk maybe if you want to call it that, that you want more, then you can just, you can get in touch with me and I've got my website stuff, details that I'll give you and we can just do a free call.

I love actually doing a coffee and an atta. So like, you know, there's no obligation to do anything more than that. But I love having a chat with other women. I just, I'm an absolute chatterbox, as you can probably tell by this podcast. But yeah, they can, they can get in touch and I'll happy to be happily go, go through that in a. Second with you and start, start exploring like the feelings that have come up for in this and what, what might be going on for them, I suppose.

Absolutely. Because what they then can do is they can then actually start trusting themselves. And what my, my coaching does that some other coaches may not do is I'm that best friend in their corner is how I describe it. Because sometimes we don't have the support around us or we don't have someone sitting there on our shoulder telling us you are good enough and you can do this, but you, you just need to do this, this and this first and then we'll look at the bigger stuff later on.

Let's build you up to it rather than, you know, going skydiving on your first, your first coaching session. We don't have to do that. But yeah, you can, you can, you can build it that way. But, but it's about, it's about trusting yourself. And sometimes it takes somebody to help you trust yourself and realize that you are capable and that you can actually live an absolutely incredible life if you want to. Excellent. And is it in person or online or both?

I have done in person coaching actually, and I am a bit old school. I think it's because I'm an 80s child. I actually really like meeting in person, so I'm very open to that. Absolutely. But yeah, the most, most of it nowadays, you know, we live in a modern world where it's done online, but we'll have a nice little cup of tea and a slice of cake and we'll just, you know, really kind of get to the nitty gritty of what's going on and how we can move forward.

Love it. Love it. So how can people actually get hold of you? Where can they find you? What's your, what's your website? What's your social media?

So if my website is reclaimandrise online, you can find details around what I do, my story and how I help people, and also the processes around how we get you to a really good place in your life. You can also go on there and if you click on the contact form and you fill in your email, I have actually got a mini confidence reset guide which is completely free that you can download. So if you send your email across, then I will send that across to, to you.

And then you can also find me on social media, Sarah Fraser or Reclaim and Rise on. I'm on TikTok, I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook and also on YouTube. Reclaim and Rise coaching is what that's called. And I just give daily guides around how you can help yourself. A lot of my content is stuff that will probably resonate with a lot of women around the struggles that they have because I've been there and lived through it. So, yeah, that's how they can get a hold of me.

And you got a new podcast as well coming up. I have. Thank you for reminding me. I've got a new podcast channel. It's only got two podcasts on it at the moment and that's Reclaim and Rise as well. And you'll find that, you'll see I'm sitting in a bright yellow jacket with a lovely pink background behind me because I love color. And, yeah, feel free to pop on there. A bit of a different podcast to a lot of other coaches because it's real talk, real truths, tough love, but it's what we need.

It's what we need as adults, I think. Excellent. Well, thank you for coming on and joining us and explaining what you do and hopefully we've, you know, sparked some interest in how people are feeling and just, just sort of raising some awareness of how the inner, inner thoughts might be like getting some people down. So thanks. Yeah, you're welcome. Go and check out Sarah's pages. Support. All right, take care, everyone. See you soon. Bye. Bye. I hope you have enjoyed this podcast. Please make sure you give us a like or a review to help people find it.

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